It's sufficiently metal, and so it will stay. Highly visible bands like that aren't likely to be going anywhere, anyway; KSE has probably been mentioned ten thousand times.

I don't know if I agree with calling the band that put a breakdown into "Holy Diver" metal, but whatever, it's your call as to how hypocritical you guys look.

One breakdown does not make or break a band. Are you suggesting that, with the breakdown added, "Holy Diver" is no longer a metal song? It's about the general riffing style and whether that's based more in metal or something else (modern hardcore, in the case of metalcore).

Describes KSE to a T, yet they still have a page...

And yes, I would argue because of the breakdown, KSE's version of "Holy Diver" is not a metal song, because breakdowns are a component of metalcore, which isn't metal.

So, you don't consider Suffocation or Dying Fetus to be metal?

I've removed the band Sadist from Sweden (no official releases).

You're failing to see the point: single sections do not make or break a metal song; you have to take everything into account: the riffing, the structure, everything. Plenty of old NYDM bands employed breakdowns (like, as before mentioned, Suffocation) - but nobody claims they're not metal because of it.

When and why was Here Comes the Kraken deleted from the archives? A friend of mine has been suggesting them for a while as an above-average deathcore band, and I remember they were on here at some point. I'm finally about to check out their music for myself right now, so I'm not harboring any ill-feelings for their deletion, but I had previously been under the impression that they were more death than core.

They were determined to be more -core than metal.

Fine by me then. Listening to them right now, it's good, but I'd take Despised Icon or The Red Chord over them without a doubt. If you don't mind me asking, what exactly do the mods/admins take into consideration when deciding whether to keep or delete a -core band? It seems that lines between core-based deathcore and death-based deathcore are quite easily blurred. Perhaps I need to listen to what the more core bands consider as influences to better understand...

I've never heard of either, and would probably not be interested at all as I prefer melodic metal, not metal where it sounds like the "singer" shoved a microphone down his throat

How did a band like Audrey Horne get into the archives?

They're just some post-grunge band....

Side-project rule.

Don't forget the side-project rule, their inclusion was based on it. Here's an old post from Witcher:

The only valid link is with Enslaved. Ice Dale joined Enslaved in 2002 and formed Audrey Horne the same year.

i think Morgoth Bauglir is fake.
look at the tour dates! he often wrote such shit, and suddenly it disappeared...
he also told me that his stuff will be/is for sale on blackmetal.com, but nothing appeared there at any time!
also the biography on the homepage sounds like a big lie (especially since 2007)

i can't proof it, but i think it's blatant.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=121577

Yeah looks fucking far fetched, considering you can't find ANY albums ANYWHERE, I don't think any black metal band has ever got any kind of decent money to tours apart from the obvious dimmu/satyricon stuff..

uglur, you were the one who submitted the band. I applaud your honesty and I am glad you are coming forth with this now (I hope you don't have other motives), but if I delete it, I thinking taking a few points away is in order.

What did you provide for proof of this band's existence?

no problem, the points are not important for me...

I asked him if the Demos are available for sale and he told me that he sells them at local record shops..
I included that in my submission.
but since then he started to exaggerate with tourdates and so on...

I'm sending you a private message.

Hi,

Bands: Guardians of the Moonlight and Domination (Dza), previously submitted by me, should be removed more probably fake bands/releases.

Now, I'm not going to argue for their removal from the site (I don't care one way or the other, really), but I'm curious about the recent addition of Jucifer. As you can see, they've got quite the extensive back catalog, and what with them playing Maryland Deathfest this year, I refuse to believe that they were so unknown so as no one tried submitting them before.

The back catalog indicates they would not have been rejected for a lack of physical releases, and the genre tag on their MA page just says "Sludge Metal" as though that's the only style they've ever played (I don't know, I don't really listen to the band). These being the case, why were they only just accepted now? Again, I'm just curious about the reasoning.

I don't know. My assumption would be that the group released a new album, were resubmitted, and then approved by whoever heard it. I have never heard Jucifer (or maybe I have and just don't remember), but I do definitely remember that they were rejected a number of times earlier on for not being metal.

I've hard a couple of Jucifer albums, the ones from 06 and 08, and I wouldn't call them metal by a long shot, especially not sludge, although they have some influences from both. More of a combination of indie rock, noise rock, grindcore and what have you. If my memory serves me correctly that is. So I'm surprise to see them on here. Maybe one of their early albums was more metal?

Probably Jucifer got accepted by mistake. Just to note that lately 2 other bands under the sludge tag got added and both are not metal enough, one band got deleted and the other one is still on the archives so I am not surprised to see Jucifer accepted probably by the same mod.

Let's not be so hasty. I listened to the tracks on myspace, as did PhantomOTO, and some were definitely metal.

I'd certainly like to hear what the moderator who accepted the band has to say and what release they based their judgment.

Okay, I know I'll break some noob's heart, but why is Divine Heresy on the Archives?

I listen those tracks on myspace only...

did radagast show any proof that the demo of king of asgard is released physically?
because they don't sell it.

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540295065

Check out Knut (che), listed as "technical sludge metal" when it's almost bona-fide hardcore, from what I've heard of them at least.

Triple Six
&
Tripple Six

same band, one should be deleted. The 1st has a much more complete page
but the second was aDded 1st although with a name mistake (double PP).

It's been done apparently.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=17228

No releases.

Out of curiosity, which albums by Thin Lizzy are considered metal?

I think it's Thunder and Lightning, at least that one sounds metal to me.

Are you sure you put the right link? Cause there's quite a few releases listed on that page.

He means physical releases.

True, didn't look in to it too much at first. The one split says 15 physical copies we're released though I'm skeptical as to whether that should count as an actual release.

I say Chinatown, but most people will answer Thunder and Lightning.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=47837

No physical releases, the bunch of songs they have on soundclick.org IS
apparently the CD listed in the additional notes.